Hey Phil: Can you suggest where I might be able to source a one way valve that would be appropriate for my crankcase breather tube? Thanks. go 49ers!
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| Author: | plasmid [ Sat Jan 19, 2013 8:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Flooded engine |
Happy New Year everyone. Tried to start my Paso today - sat for 3 months. It's got the stock Weber. Started briefly then died. Then took a while to start and it was running on one cylinder. Pool of gas underneath, blown through both exhausts. Would you guys change the oil if gas got it in there? In prior years I always stored it with the gas petcock on and never had a problem, even after 6 months. Now I turned it off and bam. |
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| Author: | Truten [ Sat Jan 19, 2013 11:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Flooded engine |
If gas is in engine oil you MUST change it. When gas goes into the oil you have very poor lubrication and you are close to make your engine useless. So change the oil and filter. |
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| Author: | plasmid [ Sun Jan 20, 2013 11:27 pm ] |
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| Author: | Truten [ Mon Jan 21, 2013 1:13 am ] |
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| Author: | ducinthebay [ Mon Jan 21, 2013 1:29 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Flooded engine |
One of the reasons to have good positive crankcase ventilation with a a one way valve on the breather pipe. Cheers, Phil |
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| Author: | delagem [ Mon Jan 21, 2013 5:32 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Flooded engine |
| Author: | ducinthebay [ Mon Jan 21, 2013 5:57 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Flooded engine |
By putting a one way valve on the crankase breather, you ensure that the fumes and bad gasses of blow by actually go out of the crankcase instead of just staying in there. If its just a tube with a filter on it, you are pulling and pushing air through the hose, but never really ensuring that anything is leaving the cases. Blow by is the main reason to change your oil regularly, as it absorbs the acids and nasty stuff from combustion and will make your oil acidic. Positive crankcase ventilation helps to remove those gasses before they get absorbed by the oil. It also helps get the moisture out, which Ducati engines seem to be prone to. Every see milky oil in your view window? Inadequate ventilation, and/or you don't go for long enough rides. The gasoline (petrol) in your crankcases is most certainly from your carb overflowing. Cheers, Phil |
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| Author: | randtcastell [ Tue Jan 22, 2013 3:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Flooded engine |
Hey Phil: Can you suggest where I might be able to source a one way valve that would be appropriate for my crankcase breather tube? Thanks. go 49ers!
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| Author: | ducinthebay [ Tue Jan 22, 2013 4:18 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Flooded engine |
Randy, The best thing is to keep the stock overflow tank, as it adds volume to your crankcase basically. Bigger volume is easier to keep a negative pressure, which is what you are aiming for. However, on the outlet side of it, that used to go to your air box (by law), you put on a one way valve and vent it to atmosphere. Don't really want to send those nasty gasses back into your engine. Some have put on a PCV unit from a car, but they usually aren't sturdy enough, or act fast enough for a two cylinder motorcycle. Think of the pumping action of a 4,6 or 8 cylinder compared to a two cylinder bike. Even a four cylinder engine usually has one piston going down when one is going up, so there aren't big pulses of pressure like in a Ducati engine. Of course the worst is a BMW twin, followed closely by a big single. The one i used was the Bunn Breather. http://www.bunn.co.nz Not a very professional site, but from what I can find on the web, he's about the only guy concerned with such things, and making something for bikes in particular. He has the science behind it, which is more than I can say for most products. I do not have the stock overflow tank on my bike, as it doesn't fit with the shock I have. I adapted a stiff 1.5 tube that runs to the back of the bike, and put the Bunn Breather in the end of that near the tail light. I want to make a better breather box that has a catch section in it that I can drain. I think fiberglass is in my future. I do notice a slight performance improvement, but its hard to quantify. Cheers, Phil |
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| Author: | JWilliam [ Tue Jan 22, 2013 2:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Flooded engine |
The petrol flooding is no big deal and it won't have allowed any great amount of fuel into the engine. Here is what happens - Switch off engine, carb is primed. Leave for a few months and the fuel evaporates out of the carb leaving a gummy residue that sticks the float valve open. Switch on ignition and the float valve won't close - flooding. The most you need do is dismantle the Weber and unstick the float valve. Of course this also suggests that when you next have a break from riding her you should remove fuel from the Weber. |
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| Author: | ducinthebay [ Tue Jan 22, 2013 4:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Flooded engine |
yeah, a little Sea Foam fuel additive before its winter nap will help too. The method an old biker down the block always used: He would pull into his drive way, turn off the petcock, but leave the bike running, open the garage door, pull in, rev it up a couple of times, then turn it off. Besides making a wonderful noise for all the neighbor boys to envy, he was emptying his float bowls before parking the bike. Did it every time. Pissed off my mom, but we loved the noise, and he later dated my sister. Maybe that's why mom didn't like him. I on the other hand, have taken out the fuel petcock on my Sport, as the bike has a pump in it. I replaced the petcock with a large banjo fitting and run it straight to the carbs. I have the Dellortos, but that should not be that much different. Not a problem in 5 years. I have been toying with adding a vacuum operated fuel shut off that comes stock on some Monsters. Cheap on e-bay. Cheers, Phil |
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| Author: | randtcastell [ Tue Jan 22, 2013 5:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Flooded engine |
"The one i used was the Bunn Breather." Thanks Phil for the knowledge and the link you've shared. Big help! My Paso came with a breather tube and a small K&N filter the end. I'd like to improve on that soon. |
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| Author: | plasmid [ Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:20 pm ] |
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| Author: | plasmid [ Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:27 pm ] |
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| Author: | paso750 [ Mon Feb 04, 2013 9:17 am ] |
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