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Author: | fasterdammit [ Sat Apr 27, 2013 6:23 pm ] |
Post subject: | Mikuni conversion, fueling question |
I'm undecided which path to take here. The stock Paso set up (on mine, at least): tank -> petcock -> filter -> pump (electric) -> Weber The stock Monster/SS set up (mid-late 90s): tank -> filter -> vacuum-operated petcock (driven by 1st inlet manifold) -> vacuum-operated pump (driven by 2nd inlet manifold) -> Mikuni fuel rail I have all the parts for both setups. Since I'm converting to the Mikunis, my 1st thought is the Paso's stock pump could be replaced by the Mikuni vacuum-op petcock/pump system. This would eliminate one drain on battery, too. My question: which is preferable in this situation? Electric pump -> carbs, or vacuum-op system -> carbs? Or a combination thereof? Tank -> filter -> vacuum-op petcock -> vacuum-op pump -> electric pump -> carbs (Although ... that sounds like serious overkill.) As always, all thoughts & advice greatly appreciated. ![]() |
Author: | koko64 [ Sat Apr 27, 2013 8:58 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Mikuni conversion, fueling question |
Many people with Monsters get rid of the vacuum operated fuel tap in areas where there is ethanol in the fuel. I'm not sure if that is the main reason, but on the Monster forum people generally get rid of them. They seem to fail by either jamming open or closed. Some failures flood the motor with fuel while others starve the carbs. People often convert to a manual fuel tap. An in line tap could work ,but access is an issue with the bodywork. If you find a reliable vacuum tap you can trust then you could put it anywhere. The oem Monster fuel pump is a very high flow but low pressure (3 psi) pump. It's ugly but very effective. It's also expensive when new. Rebuild kits are very cheap however. It's a Mikuni hexagonal type. I read somewhere that it flows enough to run a V8! Mikuni also make a smaller rectangular pump that flows 14-16 litres an hour that a is low cost alternative. Should be enough for a 750. California Cycleworks has them. I've also heard that these pumps can be affected by ethanol. I have never had or seen a problem with them yet down here. Hope this helps. Cheers. |
Author: | fasterdammit [ Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:54 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Mikuni conversion, fueling question |
Thanks for that. So, I gather: ditch the vacuum-petcock (I'll just keep the Paso's stock unit on the bottom of the tank), keep the filter (obviously), and swap the Paso's stock pump for the Mikuni unit? Any benefit to using both pumps in series? Regarding ethanol, I've been adding Startron to my tanks to good effect - unless I know I'm giong to blow through the tank in the next couple hours. But the ethenol was really starting to degrage performance and reliability ... but after a couple tanks w/ that stuff, back to normal! |
Author: | fasterdammit [ Sun Apr 28, 2013 12:11 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Mikuni conversion, fueling question |
Next question: is 300°F a suitable temp for intake manifold gaskets or should I look for a higher temp resistance? |
Author: | koko64 [ Sun Apr 28, 2013 6:24 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Mikuni conversion, fueling question |
The Mikuni will be good with the vacuum pump. The extra Watts will be good for your battery and starting. One pump is enough. I like being able to turn off the fuel tap overnight. Others will know if the Weber prefers a non pulse electric pump. Buy the oem inlet gaskets if you arent sure. I buy stock gaskets when in doubt or from a reputable aftermarket supplier. I use some Permatex Aviation gasket on paper/fibre type gaskets. Others will have good sources Im sure. I like external fuel filters for ease of service. A mate converted his 2002 GSXR1000 to a $10 GM auto external fuel filter. Nice work and saved $200! |
Author: | fasterdammit [ Sun Apr 28, 2013 3:25 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Mikuni conversion, fueling question |
Author: | lane1feathers [ Sun May 05, 2013 1:52 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Mikuni conversion, fueling question |
I'm about to start my mikuni conversion. I was going to leave the paso petcock (fuel tap coming out under left side of tank) insitu, thinking it was vacuum operated, but when I drained the tank the other day to replace fuel lines, the fuel poured out using gravity alone when tap was turned on. I will be installing a vacuum fuel pump. Will I need the vacuum operated petcock from the monster (as per manual diagram) as well or not. If I don't include it, will fuel overcome the carb when sitting overnight and end up filling the overflow tank and all over the garage floor? Any advice would be great. Thanks guys. |
Author: | Mc tool [ Sun May 05, 2013 3:55 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Mikuni conversion, fueling question |
The stock fuel tap is fine , as it has been for the last 20 odd years . Did you ever have a pool of fuel on the floor before ( what over flow tank ![]() ![]() ( OH OH ! look out ! the sky is falling ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Author: | Skins [ Sun May 05, 2013 4:02 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Mikuni conversion, fueling question |
![]() I use the original fuel tap. I never turn it off, and the float valves in my Dell Ortos control the fuel just fine. Only had a problem once with dripping fuel, and reseating the offending float valve was easy, and fixed it. |
Author: | lane1feathers [ Sun May 05, 2013 5:29 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Mikuni conversion, fueling question |
WOW, thanks for that Hamish, why didn't I think of that ![]() ![]() ![]() Thankyou Skins for your response, appreciated ![]() Just as a side note, I am a crane operator/ heavy haulage platform operator NOT a Ducati mechanic ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Author: | Mc tool [ Sun May 05, 2013 8:50 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Mikuni conversion, fueling question |
sarcasm ? ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Hamish |
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