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Wow, the twists and turns this thread takes. To start off, i was ONLY addressing Ved's statement that geometry doesn't matter, not how his particular 906 may or may not handle.
Now DesmoDog. No the factory settings are far from sacred. As a point of fact, i had bar risers made so i could raise tubes 1/4" in triples to quicken steering. 3/4"? how do you spell tank slapper? All you gotta do is hit small bump UNDER ACCELLERATION or steady throttle, not under braking to get the real definition of"tank slapper". Believe me, you'll find it very "dramatic". Not convinced? Try it. :thumbdown: [/u]


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hi guys doing this conversion at the moment.got a 4.5 rim of a 400ss.need to have bearing seat machined out .paso runs a 20mm axle compared to the more common 17mm axle.bearings are common stock.common =[17x40x11] paso =[20x42x11] can supply bearing numbers if req.rear brake hanger bracket is the sticky part for me at moment not sure which way to go .got a twin pot caliper of honda cbr 1000 which mean having a bracket made.or get a setup of a 900ss [1990]single pot brembo & hanger bracket.either way goin to have better brake than original.
Front was easy.17 in rim off 1990 900ss [300mm discs]& calipers[4 pot brembos] need speedo drive.shave approx 3mm off drive or l/h leg .make adaptor plate to mount calipers[check measurements . stagger in original caliper mounting holes on fork legs. top 13mm lower 10mm]
original speedo cable bolts straight up.make sure calipers are centred on disc.original brake lines mount up but are ugly [goin braided myself]
I have new chain & sprockets with 170/60x17 tyre not much room for error goin to run 160/60x17 myself[if tyre too wide for rim profile exagerated] remember you own a paso nothing is the same as many other Ducs but thats why we love em eh???


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I am not sure that changing wheels to 17" for the 906 is that easy. The rear swingarm does not have much room with the 16" wheel anyway. I have heard that the front needs the forks lowered to allow for the larger wheel, hardly possible with the standard headstock/handlebar arrangement. Has anyone actually changed the 16" wheels to 17" or is this an urban myth?


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No thats OK, I am using Metzeler 16" Bias belt tyres for my Paso. Not impressed by the grip characteristics of the original radial tyre - can't get them anyway!


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 11:05 pm 
Bump !!

So what's the easist way to get 17" Wheels on the 906 ?

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I started this thread awhile ago, and have finally done the swap. I ended up using a pair of zxr400 wheels 3.5 front and 4.5 rear (I think, can't remember!).
The machining required was to fit new bearings into each wheel to reuse the original axles.
Also required to make some carriers for the brake disks. This meant I could keep the original brake caliper positions and if ever required the orginal 16"ers can be bolted straight back in.
The work was done by a very clever engineer friend, but anyone who is good with a lathe should be capable. I just put it all back together.
I didn't change any geometrys.
I'll post a couple of photos when I get back home and let you know what size tyres I used.
Cheers, Rob.

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here are a couple of photos.
The new disc carrier was machined out of a single piece of ally for each side and 1 for the rear as well, so that the discs would be in the same plane as the original calipers.
I've fitted new discs but they are the same as original ducati ones.
I plan on painting the whole bike next winter so will do the wheels white then as well, although the kawasaki red doens't look too bad :shock:

Tyres are 120/60 17 on 3.5" front and 160/60 17 on 4.5" rear.





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Here is what I have done for my tyre solution - more than a solution - it is better handling :-). In my case when I was thinking of how to fix the tyre problem I had the opportunity to pick up a 907ie swingarm and 17" hubs, so I went the 17 " wheel way. In the first pic above I have just got the back wheel on. Now (Sep, 2011) I have both wheels on as you see below. Hope this info is of some help:


Pic 1.
- Front 4.5 hub is original ( wanted to keep it, at this stage to keep costs down).
- Front tyre: Pirelli Diablo 130/70 x 16 (this is higher profile than original)
- Rear Brembo 17" 5.5 hub is 900ss including sproket, axle.
- The rear was black - I hand painted it to keep costs down (could powder coat another time).
- Rear tyre: Pirelli Angel 170/60 x17. There is a Diablo 180/55 ZR 17 but I wanted to go with the 170 width).
- Rear brake caliper bracket for 907ie swingarm.
- 907ie swingarm with axle set
- Front forks lowered/lengthened ~8mm. With forks lengthened and higher profile front tyre it is close to 907 geometry, which has 10mm longer front forks.

Pic 2.
Copper pipe as spacer to raise front mudguard. I couldn't find suitable plastic.

Pic 3.
Benefit of lowering [edit: meaning lowing down in the triple clamp to make longer] the front forks is so there is a good space from the fairing and since 907 front forks are 10mm longer.

Pic 4.
The fork caps are not bolts - they are plastic from the local hardware shop. These are held in place with silicone (hopefully they will not fly away). These were needed, since dropping the front forks leaves the access hole open. Maybe, I could get extended fork bolts from another bike to extend the forks down more.

Pic 5.
Brembo brake upgrade - suitable, since holes in caliper bracket are smaller than on 906 swing-arm brake caliper bracket. (Edit: Needs normal, not sintered pads since still cast iron rotor - I first put on sintered ones and they overheated, ^%$&^)

Pic 6.
- Chain adjusters were second hand from a Ducati Monster. They were not an exact fit, so I had the inside lip machined to fit for $20. They are not load bearing so I figured that was fine.
- I got a new DID chain 108 links. The 906 is 106 links, so the 907 longer swingarm wants 2 extra links.
- I also got a new rear sprocket to fit my 900SS hub (Ducati 900SS 89-92 Supersprox rear sprocket) from selecting 40Teeth, which is the original 907ie sprocket teeth number (906 factory is also 40T).
- Also realised later, I needed to change the front sprocket to the 907ie part which is different from 906 as can see from parts catalogue for 907ie. I couldn't get an original so I got a match from

PROCEDURE (I muddled around a bit, but this is the basics of it):
- Took off fairings.
- made and put in spacers for the front mudguard.
- Lowered/made longer the front forks. to do this I referred to the workshop manual. The handles come off, three allen key bolts on each side of the forks are loosened, drop them level with the top to get about 8mm and tighten the bolts (I pushed down the back of the bike by lodging a piece of wood from the back hand rail to a ceiling rafter in the garage - which took the front wheel off the ground for the job). Covered the handle bar access gaps with the plastic bolt look-a-likes - used silicone to hold those in place.
- had new tyre put on front.
- fairings on.
- took new hub to tyre shop in car and had rear tyre put on hub.
- put new rear sprocket on hub.
- on bench checked if new rear fitted together into 907ie swing-arm.
- Fairings off, tank off.
- took off engine crankcase re-breather filter, to access inside bolt on rear exhaust.
- took off exhaust system.
- took off old rear Brembo
- took off 906 rear wheel and chain.
- took off 906 linkages at bottom of swing-arm (see also workshop Manual). There is no load up pressure, so linkages come off the rear shock easily.
- took off rubber flap connecting swing-arm to frame.
- took out swing-arm axle - it dropped out easily.
- changed the front sprocket (lock-tight on bolts)
- new 108 link chain on.
- put 907 swing-arm in according to reverse order.
- put in new wheel.
- attached brembo and bled.
- torqued all bolts as per Workshop Manual settings.
:-)

For the last job on the front, I bought new brake disks and lines, then second hand brembos (off a 907ie) from e-bay. I already had the hub, I think from a 900SS, which I hand painted white.

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