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lceriani
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Post subject: Pollution limitations in Lombardy (IT) may stop all Paso Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 11:17 pm |
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Joined: Mon Jul 19, 2004 12:00 am Posts: 163 Location: Saronno (Varese), Italy
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In Lombardy Region (Italy), aiming to reduce the dramatic PM10 air pollution, the local government is discussing a law that could stop from circulating all the bikes that are not compliant to euro-1 pollution ratings. If it will be approved, from 2007 July,1th all bikes like Paso would be useless piece of history, at least in Lombardy.
In November there was a great demonstration by a large group of motocyclists opposing to this law and complaining that:
- according to a recent CSST study, motorbikes cause only 1% of all PM10 air pollution and so the law seems a trick to distract from real pollution sources (thermal plants, industrial activities, commercial transports, etc.)
- comparing to cars, motorbikes cause less traffic and so less overall pollution (less time spent in road queues = less pollution!)
- comparing to other vehicles such as diesel or heavy duty vehicles, motorbikes produce less than 1/100th of their PM10 pollution!
- it seems mainly a manoeuvre to increase new motorbikes selling
- demolishing a large number of old bikes will cause an environmental impact worst than the relative benefit
- all vehicles already pay taxes and are subjected to periodical revisions to ensure they don't exceed national pollution limits
In november it seemed that the government intended to modify the law and stop only the circulation of two-strokes engines, but this intention was not expressed in the definitive law formulation, that was published in these days.
Well... let's hope that our governors will use some common sense instead of freezing in illogical (and expensive!) thoughts.
However, I stopped to work on my Paso (engine transplant) and I am waiting to see what will happen...
For more informations (italian language):
If you want to sign the online petition:
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Finnpaso
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 10:00 am |
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Have to say, that You Italians have sometimes VERY strange planes and rules :screwy: I read earlier about that rule, that cant wawe hand to another mc driver in traffic, but this is something more strange.... :confused: I think, they cant go for that way without big war with mc owners. Your Italian mc clubs MUST REACT VERY HARDLY now. If no, then there live only "mc sheeps" in Italy! :funny:
_________________ Antti http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeKOh3XoXPg&NR=1 KTM 990 Adventure -08 metal dark grey Paso 750 -89 red/metal grey Paso 907IE -91 red/metal grey Paso 907IE -91 red 2xST4S -02 red/metal grey ST2 -01 red/metal grey Volvo V70 Bi-Fuel Classic/titanium
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 5:45 pm |
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 7:58 pm |
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_________________ Antti http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeKOh3XoXPg&NR=1 KTM 990 Adventure -08 metal dark grey Paso 750 -89 red/metal grey Paso 907IE -91 red/metal grey Paso 907IE -91 red 2xST4S -02 red/metal grey ST2 -01 red/metal grey Volvo V70 Bi-Fuel Classic/titanium
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persempre907
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 8:38 pm |
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lceriani
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 11:26 pm |
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 7:36 am |
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Would something change?
By now, I believe no more in the politics :ugh: :ugh: :toofar: :toofar: !
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 4:13 pm |
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_________________ Antti http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeKOh3XoXPg&NR=1 KTM 990 Adventure -08 metal dark grey Paso 750 -89 red/metal grey Paso 907IE -91 red/metal grey Paso 907IE -91 red 2xST4S -02 red/metal grey ST2 -01 red/metal grey Volvo V70 Bi-Fuel Classic/titanium
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 10:46 am |
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You can be sure that someone in government will gain financially. Otherwise, they would use common sense :rant: :rant:
jomo
By the way - Luca, send me an email. I think it is wrong in your profile as well.
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lceriani
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 1:44 pm |
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 4:30 pm |
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that`s quite interesting. What will the lobby of italian scooter manufacturers do with all the Vespas, Ciaos and other 2T vehicles around ?!
In some german cities like Berlin or Munich they`re also thinking of banning older cars (there was no discussion about bikes yet).
As cars are rated in different emission classes E1, E2 etc and they would get a certain sticker probably on the windscreen it`s possible to control that. For a motorbike that`s not possible so I don`t think that such things will happen here.
Although since beginning of last year you have to pass an emission test with your motorcycle.
But also here there`s a difference because emission tests are only required for bikes from a certain model year on (1990 I think). So with the Paso this is not relevant.
(seems oldtimers will be totally banned from bigger cities)
I love my bike and car. I also agree though that measures have to be taken to control pollution specially in big cities but there`re halfway intelligent ways to handle this. As far as I know London town is also a good example as you have to pay if you want to enter the city with your vehicle. So I assume lots of people change to public transportation.
In Italy it`s always one extreme or the other, always has been.
(on the other side you have the US who introduced catalytic converters decades before that was obligatory for new cars here, but still being one of the largest industrial polluters - strange world)
G.
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